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今天 Nervos Talk 上最有火药味的是一场关于"论坛还是不是论坛"的争论：版主 phroi 提出应禁止隐藏个人资料，认为匿名账户正在干扰 DAO 投票的正当性；开发者 ArthurZhang 则反驳说问题不在匿名本身，而在把 DAO 投票嵌进了这套靠声誉运转的讨论系统里。[S01, S02] 与此同时，ArthurZhang 抛出了一篇技术讨论稿《Morph Channel》，试图用"钱不动、状态动"的思路重新设计 CKB 的通道和通道工厂结构，获得了社区的第一波反馈。[S13, S15]
重点话题
- 匿名投票 vs 公开声誉的冲突：phroi 以近期 Bitcoin Renegade 媒体提案投票中出现的新注册隐藏账户为例，质疑论坛是否还应允许隐藏资料，认为公开历史才能判断一个人的偏见和技术能力；ArthurZhang 回应说，匿名投票本身没问题，但当 DAO 投票被嵌入 Talk 这个靠声誉社交运转的论坛时，模糊性几乎是被设计进去的。[S01, S02, S03]
- Bitcoin Renegade 媒体提案遭质疑新号灌水：用户 d3fus7.bit 在 Bitcoin Renegade 的 CKB 媒体 campaign 讨论帖中指出，有 4–5 个昨天刚注册的新用户在参与投票，引发了对投票规则的疑问；Bitcoin_Renegade 本人询问自己是否该从社交媒体拉人进论坛投票，还是希望这些人不仅能投票、更能参与后续讨论。[S08, S09]
- Morph Channel 新架构亮相：ArthurZhang 发布《Morph Channel》讨论稿，提出一种紧贴 CKB Cell 模型的通道设计——资金锚点（FundCell/VaultCell）保持稳定不动，仅在争议或最终结算时移动，日常状态更新在链下完成，gas 由独立的 sponsor 层支付。[S13, S14, S16] 社区成员 yifenzi 表示赞赏，认为这体现了"如何分层才更合理"的不同思考维度。[S15]
- ckb-probe 工具更新 WSL2 兼容性修复：Spark Grant 项目 ckb-probe 的开发者 clair 先后发布了两条更新，一是说明此前 P1–P4 性能测试基于已同步快照而非完整 IBD，但结果仍然有效；二是修复了 WSL2 环境下 rocksdb 子命令指标全为 0 的问题，不过仍建议用户优先使用原生 Linux 环境。[S10, S11, S12]
- Invisibook 隐私订单簿项目推进：Lawliet_Chan 在隐私订单簿 appchain 讨论帖中报称，已完成 Invisibook 下单与结算的零知识电路实现。[S20]
值得继续跟进
- DAO 投票与论坛身份的边界会如何划定：phroi 和 ArthurZhang 的争论触及了 Nervos Talk 的一个结构性矛盾——如果 DAO 投票继续嵌入论坛，是否需要重新设计身份验证或投票门槛，否则类似"新号灌水"的质疑会反复出现。[S01, S02, S08]
- Morph Channel 与 Fiber 的路线关系：ArthurZhang 强调 Morph Channel 不是"又一个 Lightning"也不与 Fiber 比高低，但这种"钱不动、状态动"的 Cell 原生设计若能得到更多技术反馈，可能会影响 CKB 支付通道的长期架构选择。[S13, S16]
- ckb-probe 的真实生产环境表现：虽然 WSL2 兼容性问题已修复，但 clair 明确不建议用 WSL2 做正式测试，该工具在原生 Linux 大规模节点中的实际附加开销仍有待更多社区验证。[S11, S12]
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- I have already seen a couple of DAO votes where hidden profiles unnecessarily cast doubt on legitimacy. See for example: [DIS] Bitcoin Renegade CKB Media Campaign - #26 by d3fus7.bit So my question is: Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles on Nervos Talk? Is...
- I think anonymous voting itself is not the issue. The issue is whether an anonymous vote should be socially interpreted through a reputation-based forum. When DAO voting is embedded in Talk, this ambiguity is almost built into the design.
- Broader, irrespective of voting, does it makes sense to have hidden profiles on Nervos Talk? What good does it bring to us? Having a public history attached to an account gives a perspective on the bias / technical abilities of said person / entity. Remove that and you remove...
- In my opinion you have already shown love for CKB in your previous videos, I think you should be supported on this. I also think you should be open to ideas that makes the video last long in value.we need video that can be used as reference
- 3600 organic YouTube views in 6 months 12600 organic X views in 6 months for videos 6000 organic X views in 6 months for posts Now I might not have the most followers or the biggest reach but my biggest asset is loyalty and trust as well as not the amount of views but the...
- What are you thinking education and tutorial videos or like interviews. Because i mainly report news and updates
- I think you deserve a chance as I know You build a strong whole ecosystem around X , Telegram , Open Chat , Discord and of course on YouTube . Also a building a dapp plus you have your own community. Viewership and making a genuine commented community is two different think...
- Also, aren’t there any rules for newly registered users? There are 4-5 here who were registered yesterday…
- I would like to know more about that because I am curious if I should bring people in from social media or just let the vote happen here. I really was hoping to bring in more people to possibly not only vote for me but participate in future discussions.
- ckb-probe 测试结果可用性说明 背景 ckb-probe 的 P1~P4 性能评估和 Case Study 均从已同步的数据快照启动（tip 约 2000 万+）， 属于批量恢复 + 追赶同步，而非从创世块开始的真正 IBD（Initial Block Download）。 本文档说明：为什么测试结果仍然有效，以及哪些措辞需要修正。 P1~P4：全部可用 P1~P4 测量的是 ckb-probe 对节点的附加影响，不依赖于同步阶段的性质： 指标 测量目标 是否依赖 IBD 可用性 P-1 CPU ≤ 3% probe 附加 CPU 开销 否...
- ckb-probe WSL2 兼容性修复 问题 在 WSL2 上运行 ckb-probe 的 rocksdb 子命令,所有指标显示为 0(GET/PUT/TXN_COMMIT QPS 全 0),但 BPF 程序的 run_cnt 显示它每秒被触发 5 万–7 万次。即 uprobe attach 成功、程序在跑,事件却没产生有效输出。 修复策略 把 uprobe 路径上的 PID 过滤从"BPF 程序内 hashmap 查找"改为"内核级 attach-time PID 过滤"。uprobe attach 时直接告诉内核只让目标 PID...
- WSL2 环境兼容性说明 简要说明 暂不建议在 WSL2 上使用 ckb-probe 进行任何实际测量或测试。 请在原生 Linux 环境(裸机或真实 VM)上运行。 影响范围 子命令 WSL2 上行为 是否可用 rocksdb(含 --histogram / --slow / --json) uprobe 路径已通过内核级 attach-time PID 过滤绕开 可用,但仍不建议作为正式测试环境 symbols 不涉及 BPF 可用 check 的环境检查 / attach 测试 不依赖 hashmap lookup 可用 check 的...
- 这是一份我想提出的社区讨论稿。它想讨论的不是 “yet another Lightning”，也不是要和 Fiber 比高低，而是一个更贴近 CKB Cell 模型的问题： 如果资金锚点稳定不动，只让签名状态证据在争议时移动，CKB 能不能表达一种更干净的通道和通道工厂结构？ 一句话版本： 钱不动，状态动；业务资产不付手续费，费用由 sponsor 支付；只有最终结算时才真正移动通道资产。 image1802×474 46.1 KB 思想来源 这个方向借鉴了几条成熟线索。 Lightning...
- 核心模型补充 每条通道由稳定的 funding bundle 和可移动的 state cell 表示。 image1244×517 53 KB 直观地说： FundCell / VaultCell* = durable funding/value anchor StateCell = latest dispute pointer SponsorCell* = publication/fee layer 钱不动，状态动；业务资产不付 gas，sponsor 付 gas；最后 settlement 才真正动 vault。...
- 很赞的思考和分享 如果说“分层是必要的”几乎是所有人的共识 那么“如何分层才更合理”就是不同思考方式甚至说思考维度的落地呈现 技术我完全不懂，一些推演也依靠当前已经做到的工程案例来展开，但不妨碍我通过阅读去“感受”它...
- 感谢，这个比喻其实抓住了我最想表达的一点：验证状态和移动资产应该是两件事。 我会稍微补充一句：在 Morph Channel 里，金库本身不是每次都被搬动。大多数时候，参与者只是链下更新一份 最新版结算凭证 。只有出现争议、或者最终结算时，这份凭证才会被拿到链上，由脚本判断它是不是更新、更有效，然后决定金库里的资产应该如何释放。 所以更像是： 资金在金库里保持稳定 状态凭证在链下不断更新 有人要把凭证拿上链验证时，发布成本由独立的 sponsor 层支付 只有最终结算时，金库资产才真正移动。 这也正是我觉得 CKB Cell...
- These are sharp questions that move LUME from a “cool concept” to a “robust protocol.” To keep it from becoming another high-inflation farm token, we have to lean into the unique Cell Model of CKB. 1. Hard Caps and Anti-Inflation: The “Capacity Anchor” Unlike Ethereum or...
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- Great to see people trying to turn ideas into reality. Make a prototype on testnet.
- 周报 2026.5.10 完成 Invisibook 下单、结算的zk电路： ZeroKnowledge implement by Lawliet-Chan · Pull Request #2 · invisibook-lab/invisibook · GitHub
- 我们先跳过Rgb++/Fiber和Rgb/Ln的竞争，假设已经有头部稳定币项目方比如Usdc打算采用Rgb++/Fiber，看看这个团队一直所谓努力的目标某天落地后会发生什么，又能给Rgb++/Fiber带来多少价值 答案是:极少的价值，很残酷也很真实 Usdc进来只需要用Rgb++发自己代币，然后自己跑Fiber节点和通道，打通和自己掌控资产的联系，最核心的通道跑自己的Usdc代币，和Ckb/Fiber完全没关联，Usdc只会重点或者单单只经营自己的代币通道网络是大概率事件...
- jimi-winehouse: because the worst case scenario is the foundation gets “captured” and someone makes money off of the emissions Can you share what this means? The protocol treasury is distributed directly to recipients, there is no foundation in the middle to control this....
- I was explaining the attack surface of having a centralized treasury and that it is not as bad as you make it sound just by glorifying decentralization where it does not matter. The most decentralized treasury is a non-existing one, which is what we have currently, but that’s...
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18 postsIn my opinion you have already shown love for CKB in your previous videos, I think you should be supported on this. I also think you should be open to ideas that makes the video last long in value.we need video that can be used as reference 3600 organic...
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Morph Channel：一种 CKB Cell 模型下的通道 / 工厂讨论方向
4 posts这是一份我想提出的社区讨论稿。它想讨论的不是 “yet another Lightning”，也不是要和 Fiber 比高低，而是一个更贴近 CKB Cell 模型的问题： 如果资金锚点稳定不动，只让签名状态证据在争议时移动，CKB 能不能表达一种更干净的通道和通道工厂结构？ 一句话版本： 钱不动，状态动；业务资产不付手续费，费用由 sponsor 支付；只有最终结算时才真正移动通道资产。 image1802×474 46.1 KB 思想来源 这个方向借鉴了几条成熟线索。 Lightning...
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Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles?
3 postsI have already seen a couple of DAO votes where hidden profiles unnecessarily cast doubt on legitimacy. See for example: [DIS] Bitcoin Renegade CKB Media Campaign - #26 by d3fus7.bit So my question is: Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles...
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3 postsckb-probe 测试结果可用性说明 背景 ckb-probe 的 P1~P4 性能评估和 Case Study 均从已同步的数据快照启动（tip 约 2000 万+）， 属于批量恢复 + 追赶同步，而非从创世块开始的真正 IBD（Initial Block Download）。 本文档说明：为什么测试结果仍然有效，以及哪些措辞需要修正。 P1~P4：全部可用 P1~P4 测量的是 ckb-probe 对节点的附加影响，不依赖于同步阶段的性质： 指标 测量目标 是否依赖 IBD 可用性 P-1 CPU ≤...
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3 postsThese are sharp questions that move LUME from a “cool concept” to a “robust protocol.” To keep it from becoming another high-inflation farm token, we have to lean into the unique Cell Model of CKB. 1. Hard Caps and Anti-Inflation: The “Capacity Anchor”...
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2 postsjimi-winehouse: because the worst case scenario is the foundation gets “captured” and someone makes money off of the emissions Can you share what this means? The protocol treasury is distributed directly to recipients, there is no foundation in the middle...
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再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性
1 posts我们先跳过Rgb++/Fiber和Rgb/Ln的竞争，假设已经有头部稳定币项目方比如Usdc打算采用Rgb++/Fiber，看看这个团队一直所谓努力的目标某天落地后会发生什么，又能给Rgb++/Fiber带来多少价值 答案是:极少的价值，很残酷也很真实 Usdc进来只需要用Rgb++发自己代币，然后自己跑Fiber节点和通道，打通和自己掌控资产的联系，最核心的通道跑自己的Usdc代币，和Ckb/Fiber完全没关联，Usdc只会重点或者单单只经营自己的代币通道网络是大概率事件...
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latest 18 postsBroader, irrespective of voting, does it makes sense to have hidden profiles on Nervos Talk? What good does it bring to us? Having a public history attached to an account gives a perspective on the bias / technical...
I think anonymous voting itself is not the issue. The issue is whether an anonymous vote should be socially interpreted through a reputation-based forum. When DAO voting is embedded in Talk, this ambiguity is almost...
Thanks for this proposal @Bitcoin_Renegade. You have a long history of contribution to the community which is very commendable. My position on purely social media oriented proposals is outlined here: On Funding Social...
Yes and I want real users here not spam. I want to be an example for others so lets do this the right way. I’ve heard the stories of people taking advantage of the DAO. Im immersed in the community and want Nervos to...
I will go ahead and edit the proposal with the correct info
I have already seen a couple of DAO votes where hidden profiles unnecessarily cast doubt on legitimacy. See for example: [DIS] Bitcoin Renegade CKB Media Campaign - #26 by d3fus7.bit So my question is: Is there any...
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Yeah, I agree. Where would we draw the line if we start removing those votes.
理解对这块的担忧 目前的规则下，没有条款是关于何种用户的点赞才算有效。按照无禁止即可为的原则来看，可能不应该认为新用户的点赞无效 不过，论坛投票阶段的目的是信息同步和情绪测试，且有metafore投票作为最终环节，所以问题可能并没有那么严重
The Reason that this is called a campaign is because its not just content creation but a community building initiative. A long term dedication to the CKB community and a presence on multiple platforms
I think he’s questioning whether new users can (or should) be able to even help a proposal get to the voting stage to begin with. I’m sure this has happened in the past and hearts were removed, but I think this might...
Hi 按照目前DAO 1.0的规则，一个提案在通过前需要经过两个阶段 CKB Community Fund DAO Rules and Process Phase 1: Discussion Stage — on Nervos Talk(Discourse) This phase has two primary purposes: Allow sufficient time (one week) to help the...
Yeah, it’s a tricky one. You have your own community and I think it’s ok that they support you. At the end of the day, it’s the voting that counts. If the community lets unwanted (not saying yours is) proposals get...
Bringing new people here is not bad in itself. Whether their vote should have any weight in deciding on proposals is another question, there must be clear rules. @zz_tovarishch should know, he can explain the rules to...
WSL2 环境兼容性说明 简要说明 暂不建议在 WSL2 上使用 ckb-probe 进行任何实际测量或测试。 请在原生 Linux 环境(裸机或真实 VM)上运行。 影响范围 子命令 WSL2 上行为 是否可用 rocksdb(含 --histogram / --slow / --json) uprobe 路径已通过内核级 attach-time PID 过滤绕开 可用,但仍不建议作为正式测试环境 symbols 不涉及 BPF...
感谢，这个比喻其实抓住了我最想表达的一点：验证状态和移动资产应该是两件事。 我会稍微补充一句：在 Morph Channel 里，金库本身不是每次都被搬动。大多数时候，参与者只是链下更新一份 最新版结算凭证 。只有出现争议、或者最终结算时，这份凭证才会被拿到链上，由脚本判断它是不是更新、更有效，然后决定金库里的资产应该如何释放。 所以更像是： 资金在金库里保持稳定 状态凭证在链下不断更新 有人要把凭证拿上链验证时，发布成本由独立的...
很赞的思考和分享 如果说“分层是必要的”几乎是所有人的共识 那么“如何分层才更合理”就是不同思考方式甚至说思考维度的落地呈现 技术我完全不懂，一些推演也依靠当前已经做到的工程案例来展开，但不妨碍我通过阅读去“感受”它...
You barely have any following. 500$ per month for videos that generate up to 500 views is extremely high. What is your reasoning behind this? I understand the need for marketing but how would videos that generate “200...