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it is a social contract.
\nUltimately it is up to the participants in the network to activate it, however it needs to be built to fulfill the social contract that’s been created, this is just the nature of doing something without a central party in charge.
\nDocuments such as the positioning paper do take on a certain higher quality like what you refer to. In this way, participants (new and old) can know what they are getting into, without putting any trust in anyone else.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 1 }, { "post_id": 24264, "post_number": 9, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "jimi-winehouse", "created_at": "2026-05-11T11:25:08.490000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T16:55:11.578000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 8, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/9", "content_text": "It sounds like an appeal to authority, and a centralized one with the way you’re unwilling to discuss and provide good arguments for.\nWhere is this “social contract” so I can read it, do we refer to some prehistorical 2019 paper? my question was half sarcastic half serious, can I get a link to this paper?\nI’ve read the RGB++ social contract, the UTXOStack social contract (tho yes this doesn’t belong to the L1 luckily) and I thought that was what I was getting into yet here we are prioritizing “decentralization” of the treasury, instead of doing more impactful stuff like perhaps making sure these efforts go all the way.\nWhy are none of these efforts going to fruition and keep becoming failure after failure even tho the L1 is one of the most powerful ever created? The answer is surely not “the treasury is not decentralized”.\nIf we could get off our “we are the best L1 that figured everything out” high horse/cope for a minute we could maybe to catchup to these ecosystems in terms of reach and impact. And don’t get me wrong I am here writing these words because I truly believe this tech is superior so there’s no need to hit me with the “I hope you understand we are superior” from the initial response.", "content_html": "It sounds like an appeal to authority, and a centralized one with the way you’re unwilling to discuss and provide good arguments for.
\nWhere is this “social contract” so I can read it, do we refer to some prehistorical 2019 paper? my question was half sarcastic half serious, can I get a link to this paper?
\nI’ve read the RGB++ social contract, the UTXOStack social contract (tho yes this doesn’t belong to the L1 luckily) and I thought that was what I was getting into yet here we are prioritizing “decentralization” of the treasury, instead of doing more impactful stuff like perhaps making sure these efforts go all the way.
\nWhy are none of these efforts going to fruition and keep becoming failure after failure even tho the L1 is one of the most powerful ever created? The answer is surely not “the treasury is not decentralized”.
\nIf we could get off our “we are the best L1 that figured everything out” high horse/cope for a minute we could maybe to catchup to these ecosystems in terms of reach and impact. And don’t get me wrong I am here writing these words because I truly believe this tech is superior so there’s no need to hit me with the “I hope you understand we are superior” from the initial response.
https://github.com/nervosnetwork/rfcs/blob/master/rfcs/0001-positioning/0001-positioning.md
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 1 }, { "post_id": 24266, "post_number": 11, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-11T11:40:12.740000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T16:55:11.582000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 9, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/11", "content_text": "4.6 Treasury\nThe portion of secondary issuance that doesn’t go to 1) miners or 2) long-term holders with tokens locked in the NervosDAO, will go toward a treasury fund. To demonstrate: if 60% of issued CKBytes are used to store state and 30% of the CKBytes are deposited into the NervosDAO, miners will receive 60% of the secondary issuance, the NervosDAO (long-term holders) will receive 30% of the secondary issuance, and 10% of the secondary issuance will go to the treasury.\nThe treasury fund will be used to fund ongoing research and development of the protocol, as well as building the ecosystem of the Nervos Network. The use of the treasury funds will be open, transparent and on-chain for everyone to see. Compared to an inflation-based treasury funding model, this model doesn’t dilute long-term token holders (who have deposited their tokens into the NervosDAO). Funding of protocol development is strictly derived from the opportunity cost to short-term token holders.\nThe treasury won’t be activated immediately upon the main-net launch of the Nervos Common Knowledge Base. With the community’s approval, it will be activated with a hard-fork later, only after the Nervos Foundation has exhausted the Ecosystem Fund, included in the Genesis block. Prior to activation of the treasury, this portion of the secondary issuance will be burned.", "content_html": "The portion of secondary issuance that doesn’t go to 1) miners or 2) long-term holders with tokens locked in the NervosDAO, will go toward a treasury fund. To demonstrate: if 60% of issued CKBytes are used to store state and 30% of the CKBytes are deposited into the NervosDAO, miners will receive 60% of the secondary issuance, the NervosDAO (long-term holders) will receive 30% of the secondary issuance, and 10% of the secondary issuance will go to the treasury.
\nThe treasury fund will be used to fund ongoing research and development of the protocol, as well as building the ecosystem of the Nervos Network. The use of the treasury funds will be open, transparent and on-chain for everyone to see. Compared to an inflation-based treasury funding model, this model doesn’t dilute long-term token holders (who have deposited their tokens into the NervosDAO). Funding of protocol development is strictly derived from the opportunity cost to short-term token holders.
\nThe treasury won’t be activated immediately upon the main-net launch of the Nervos Common Knowledge Base. With the community’s approval, it will be activated with a hard-fork later, only after the Nervos Foundation has exhausted the Ecosystem Fund, included in the Genesis block. Prior to activation of the treasury, this portion of the secondary issuance will be burned.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24269, "post_number": 12, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "jimi-winehouse", "created_at": "2026-05-11T13:32:38.426000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T16:55:11.584000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 11, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/12", "content_text": "the solution I am proposing is to activate the treasury and just make it centralized and focus on high impact projects. Taking a year of work to decentralized a treasury is resource mismanagement.\nThe whole dilution thing is a meme, I was diluted 95% at least in usd terms by holding from top to bottom, it’s not a 3% which is as a said compared to 5min implied volatility that’s going to save me from dilution. It only matters for CKB because its directly linked to node size and decentralization otherwise I would have preferred even higher inflation. Unless we start paying bills in $CKB we need to stop pretending the price in $usd doesn’t exist, and don’t get me wrong I am not saying we should be discussing price targets, but discussing inflation in a vacuum without consideration of volatility is just burying our hands in the sand.\nI think the tokenomics are exceptionally well designed especially with how they solve the state rent issue. We should just go ahead and make the pragmatic solution of the leadership taking responsibility and having a centralized treasury. A voting system won’t change much anyways because they probably hold most of the token (Hello PoS). A truly decentralized treasury is a non existing one.", "content_html": "the solution I am proposing is to activate the treasury and just make it centralized and focus on high impact projects. Taking a year of work to decentralized a treasury is resource mismanagement.
\nThe whole dilution thing is a meme, I was diluted 95% at least in usd terms by holding from top to bottom, it’s not a 3% which is as a said compared to 5min implied volatility that’s going to save me from dilution. It only matters for CKB because its directly linked to node size and decentralization otherwise I would have preferred even higher inflation. Unless we start paying bills in $CKB we need to stop pretending the price in $usd doesn’t exist, and don’t get me wrong I am not saying we should be discussing price targets, but discussing inflation in a vacuum without consideration of volatility is just burying our hands in the sand.
\nI think the tokenomics are exceptionally well designed especially with how they solve the state rent issue. We should just go ahead and make the pragmatic solution of the leadership taking responsibility and having a centralized treasury. A voting system won’t change much anyways because they probably hold most of the token (Hello PoS). A truly decentralized treasury is a non existing one.
appreciate you engaging in this discussion, it seems like you have been around a while. It might be better to move to Nervos Nation or another chat forum to debate the merits of this work.
\nThis is not about being the best L1, it’s about fulfilling the expectations that were created many years ago. It is not up for debate. It would be more productive to focus on other things.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24275, "post_number": 14, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "ebdalezyz_aljhny", "created_at": "2026-05-11T17:33:43.857000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T17:33:43.857000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/14", "content_text": "If we are allowed to share our opinion, I think it would be a good idea, at least initially, to have a council made up of fifty members responsible for managing the DAO until the ecosystem matures, after which the transition toward decentralization can begin. The council could include a number of CKB team members, a number of active forum members, and a number of CKB holders. We should agree on and define what ecosystem maturity actually means, then use that as the starting point for the transition. During this period, the DAO system and all its details can be developed.\nBest regards.", "content_html": "If we are allowed to share our opinion, I think it would be a good idea, at least initially, to have a council made up of fifty members responsible for managing the DAO until the ecosystem matures, after which the transition toward decentralization can begin. The council could include a number of CKB team members, a number of active forum members, and a number of CKB holders. We should agree on and define what ecosystem maturity actually means, then use that as the starting point for the transition. During this period, the DAO system and all its details can be developed.
\nBest regards.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24276, "post_number": 15, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "matt_ckb", "created_at": "2026-05-11T17:44:08.893000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T17:44:08.893000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 14, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/15", "content_text": "do the council members have decision making authority? Even in Community Fund DAO v1 it is governance by community members/token holders", "content_html": "do the council members have decision making authority? Even in Community Fund DAO v1 it is governance by community members/token holders
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24277, "post_number": 16, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "ebdalezyz_aljhny", "created_at": "2026-05-11T18:02:26.169000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T18:02:26.169000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/16", "content_text": "رسالة\nIt is simply an idea. You may develop it further or reject it entirely. The intention is only to help manage a temporary phase and allow more focus on what is currently more important. CKB’s decentralization can continue progressing toward its full form at the appropriate time.", "content_html": "رسالة
\nIt is simply an idea. You may develop it further or reject it entirely. The intention is only to help manage a temporary phase and allow more focus on what is currently more important. CKB’s decentralization can continue progressing toward its full form at the appropriate time.
I would argue this is a regression not a progression towards decentralization. The current system is the most decentralized. Adding a sub PoS system/voting in the L1 is what I would call centralization.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24280, "post_number": 18, "topic_id": 10246, "topic_title": "Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "topic_slug": "discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury", "author": "matt_ckb", "created_at": "2026-05-11T18:34:26.549000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T18:34:39.707000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 17, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/discussion-about-an-alternative-to-the-protocol-treasury/10246/18", "content_text": "It’s a fair critique, however as I have said many times on this thread: We are bound by social contract on this. The treasury needs to be implemented and available for stakeholders to activate if they see fit.", "content_html": "It’s a fair critique, however as I have said many times on this thread: We are bound by social contract on this. The treasury needs to be implemented and available for stakeholders to activate if they see fit.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 9995, "title": "Spark Program | Nervos Brain - A Global Developer Onboarding Engine and Cross-Language Hub Powered by Agentic RAG", "slug": "spark-program-nervos-brain-a-global-developer-onboarding-engine-and-cross-language-hub-powered-by-agentic-rag", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/spark-program-nervos-brain-a-global-developer-onboarding-engine-and-cross-language-hub-powered-by-agentic-rag/9995", "created_at": "2026-02-25T09:58:43.726000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T18:09:50.725000+00:00", "category_id": 49, "tags": [ "In-Progress", "Spark-Program" ], "posters": [ "Original Poster, Most Recent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24278, "post_number": 37, "topic_id": 9995, "topic_title": "Spark Program | Nervos Brain - A Global Developer Onboarding Engine and Cross-Language Hub Powered by Agentic RAG", "topic_slug": "spark-program-nervos-brain-a-global-developer-onboarding-engine-and-cross-language-hub-powered-by-agentic-rag", "author": "IrisNeko", "created_at": "2026-05-11T18:09:50.725000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T18:15:24.282000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 36, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/spark-program-nervos-brain-a-global-developer-onboarding-engine-and-cross-language-hub-powered-by-agentic-rag/9995/37", "content_text": "回顾近期的 bad case，主要原因是 prompt 设置过于保守：一方面表现为对用户频繁追问，另一方面是查资料不够积极。此外，上周的数据库问题也是因模型未触发多库联合调用引起的。总体来看，系统并没有严重的设计或架构问题，后续优化 prompt 和调用逻辑即可解决。", "content_html": "回顾近期的 bad case，主要原因是 prompt 设置过于保守：一方面表现为对用户频繁追问，另一方面是查资料不够积极。此外，上周的数据库问题也是因模型未触发多库联合调用引起的。总体来看，系统并没有严重的设计或架构问题，后续优化 prompt 和调用逻辑即可解决。
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 10231, "title": "Spark Program | Tiko Creator Commerce Expansion + Private Beta Validation", "slug": "spark-program-tiko-creator-commerce-expansion-private-beta-validation", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/spark-program-tiko-creator-commerce-expansion-private-beta-validation/10231", "created_at": "2026-05-06T07:46:28.834000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T17:23:41.915000+00:00", "category_id": 49, "tags": [ "Pending", "Spark-Program" ], "posters": [ "Original Poster, Most Recent Poster", "Frequent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24274, "post_number": 3, "topic_id": 10231, "topic_title": "Spark Program | Tiko Creator Commerce Expansion + Private Beta Validation", "topic_slug": "spark-program-tiko-creator-commerce-expansion-private-beta-validation", "author": "DWSQUIRES", "created_at": "2026-05-11T17:23:41.915000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T17:23:41.915000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/spark-program-tiko-creator-commerce-expansion-private-beta-validation/10231/3", "content_text": "Updated.\nI narrowed the supported scope from 7 categories to the first 3 categories:\nDigital drops, Memberships/passes, and Limited editions/collectibles.\nI also added a detailed How to Verify section, including:\naccess to the live test environment\nverification steps and pass/fail criteria for each supported feature\nevidence publication locations\nthe private beta verification loop, including participant source, task\ndesign, metrics, feedback collection, and final report format\nModified sections:\nSection 3: Project Description\nSection 5: Expected Deliverables\nSection 7: Clear To-Do List\nSection 8: User Testing Plan\nSection 9: Required Funding\nSection 10: Funding Breakdown\nSection 14: Completion Outputs\nSection 15: What Success Looks Like\nSection 16: Closing Summary\nAdded Section 17: How to Verify\nLinks included:\nGitHub: GitHub - Tiko-T/Tiko · GitHub\nLive website: https://tiko-pied.vercel.app/", "content_html": "Updated.
\nI narrowed the supported scope from 7 categories to the first 3 categories:
\nDigital drops, Memberships/passes, and Limited editions/collectibles.
\nI also added a detailed How to Verify section, including:
Modified sections:
\nLinks included:
\nYes I am withdrawing my proposal and putting in a new one
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24273, "post_number": 32, "topic_id": 10239, "topic_title": "[DIS] Bitcoin Renegade CKB Media Campaign", "topic_slug": "dis-bitcoin-renegade-ckb-media-campaign", "author": "joshyates1980", "created_at": "2026-05-11T17:02:42.454000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T17:02:42.454000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/dis-bitcoin-renegade-ckb-media-campaign/10239/32", "content_text": "As you fine tune your proposal with the plenty of feedback/suggestions from Nervos community, I do support your campaign and comical endeavors at live events which turn heads toward the Nervos booth, and so your knowledge base and personality can benefit the community.", "content_html": "As you fine tune your proposal with the plenty of feedback/suggestions from Nervos community, I do support your campaign and comical endeavors at live events which turn heads toward the Nervos booth, and so your knowledge base and personality can benefit the community.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 10143, "title": "Pre-RFC Discussion: Activating the Nervos DAO Treasury", "slug": "pre-rfc-discussion-activating-the-nervos-dao-treasury", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/pre-rfc-discussion-activating-the-nervos-dao-treasury/10143", "created_at": "2026-03-31T03:10:02.859000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T16:55:11.646000+00:00", "category_id": 31, "tags": [ "CKB" ], "posters": [ "Original Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Most Recent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24271, "post_number": 13, "topic_id": 10143, "topic_title": "Pre-RFC Discussion: Activating the Nervos DAO Treasury", "topic_slug": "pre-rfc-discussion-activating-the-nervos-dao-treasury", "author": "matt_ckb", "created_at": "2026-05-11T16:55:11.646000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T16:55:11.646000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/pre-rfc-discussion-activating-the-nervos-dao-treasury/10143/13", "content_text": "12 posts were split to a new topic: Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury", "content_html": "12 posts were split to a new topic: Discussion about an alternative to the protocol treasury
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 10240, "title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "slug": "ckb-fiber", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240", "created_at": "2026-05-10T00:54:35.315000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T11:49:26.951000+00:00", "category_id": 49, "tags": [], "posters": [ "Original Poster, Most Recent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24245, "post_number": 2, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "matt_ckb", "created_at": "2026-05-11T05:18:36.841000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T05:18:36.841000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/2", "content_text": "Anything built on Fiber is built on CKB.\nThere is already USDI but it is not mentioned\n————————————————-\n”One can not serve two masters”\nOperating a stablecoin (especially one that would be competitive against giants like USDC) and maintaining public infrastructure are two very different tasks.", "content_html": "Anything built on Fiber is built on CKB.
\nThere is already USDI but it is not mentioned
\n————————————————-
\n”One can not serve two masters”
Operating a stablecoin (especially one that would be competitive against giants like USDC) and maintaining public infrastructure are two very different tasks.
\n希望你能表现出哪怕有一点点的专业性
\n一个Usdc本尊其价值都极小
\n更别说一个模仿的小小版Usdc
\n现在Uddc/Usdt的没进入是其自身的选择不是想进入被你们拒绝，你先搞清楚这个基本事实，不要一遍又一遍的让人笑话
\n而Dai的模仿者Rusd是一个很好的说明对象，但这个交易对流量池不应该由普通用户来建立也不应该有单独的盈利点存在，而需要在一个代币创建之初就考虑进去，更多的说明去看我已经发布的信息
\n我认为理解这个没有什么难度，需要做的只是有勇气面对它:放弃那份不该被独占的利益
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24248, "post_number": 4, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T07:15:50.123000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T07:15:50.123000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/4", "content_text": "一个是中心化的，一个是去中心化的\n一个是已有巨大影响力的，一个是需要很多人共用建立影响力的\n这是肯定会一直存在的对立而又统一的两面，我们总会来到这样的路口然后需要做出自己的选择\n那些选择中心化的，选择已有巨大影响力的，没问题，因为总有人选择去中心化选择很多人一起共同建立影响力的路\n而中本聪就是其中一个开创者，他选的是后面的路，如果他选择的是前者那还有比特币吗？还有这个至少不是完全被传统金融控制的比之前好不少的个人金融时代吗？", "content_html": "一个是中心化的，一个是去中心化的
\n一个是已有巨大影响力的，一个是需要很多人共用建立影响力的
\n这是肯定会一直存在的对立而又统一的两面，我们总会来到这样的路口然后需要做出自己的选择
\n那些选择中心化的，选择已有巨大影响力的，没问题，因为总有人选择去中心化选择很多人一起共同建立影响力的路
\n而中本聪就是其中一个开创者，他选的是后面的路，如果他选择的是前者那还有比特币吗？还有这个至少不是完全被传统金融控制的比之前好不少的个人金融时代吗？
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24250, "post_number": 5, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "matt_ckb", "created_at": "2026-05-11T07:39:36.632000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T07:39:36.632000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 4, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/5", "content_text": "it’s good it is now clear that you are arguing for an overcollateralized stablecoin\nmaybe we can blame this on the translation of “native” in the title", "content_html": "it’s good it is now clear that you are arguing for an overcollateralized stablecoin
\nmaybe we can blame this on the translation of “native” in the title
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24252, "post_number": 6, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-11T08:24:55.757000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T08:24:55.757000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 3, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/6", "content_text": "yifenzi:\nAs for RUSD, an imitator of DAI, it serves as a good illustrative example. However, the liquidity pool for this trading pair should not be established by ordinary users, nor should there be a separate profit point for it. Instead, it needs to be considered from the very beginning of a token’s creation. For more explanation, refer to the information I have already published.\nRUSD is based on LUSD, not DAI.\nA DAI like system would have been the far better option for CKB because it’s usage level is so low, we were never going to be able to carry it alone. But I suppose that all depended on the success of RGB++, if that had gone differently then RUSD also had a chance.", "content_html": "\nRUSD is based on LUSD, not DAI.
\nA DAI like system would have been the far better option for CKB because it’s usage level is so low, we were never going to be able to carry it alone. But I suppose that all depended on the success of RGB++, if that had gone differently then RUSD also had a chance.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 1 }, { "post_id": 24253, "post_number": 7, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T08:29:56.042000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T08:29:56.042000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/7", "content_text": "我就来再次说下它的实现方式，大家会发现可以如此简单:\n它在已经被实现的工程项目参照下完成\n主要参考和工具:\nCcc:发币\nUtxoswap:交易对用来交换即铸造和赎回 Rusd:一个便于理解的对比对象\n用一个多签地址(后面会说为何要多签以及其用处)用ccc工具发布一个代币比如UtxoUSD，数量任意一个极大数字比如100万亿\n如果用CKB做价值背书就从其他地方转入CKB(用其他代币同理)，假设用CKB且假设转入100万美元的CKB\n然后登陆Utxoswap把这100万亿UtxoUSD和100万美元的CKB提交新的交易对并把所有代币提供流动性\n最后一步，退出Utxoswap然后永不登陆，之前的多签其作用就体现在这里，这里要最大的保证必须先要能登陆，等完成在Utxoswap的设定后就永不在登陆，多签比如100/100或者更大的多签最大的保证谁都无法登陆私自转移代币\n让这个地址的货币成为真正意义上的公产或者公共物品(顺便说一句，那些一个个人出售给另一个个人的所有东西都不可能是公共物品而是假冒其概念)\n这样这个地址或者交易池里原始就有了\n100万亿 UtxoUSD和 100万美元的CKB\n某用户用一万美元的CKB来换取一万个UtxoUSD后，地址里代币为\n100万亿减一万个UtxoUSD和101万美元的CKB\n也就是实际流通的一万UtxoUSD后面有101万价值的CKB作为保证，即可以大概理解成101倍的质押，这个倍数在动态变化\n作为对比相对换Rusd来说，UtxoUSD更安全更没有损耗更去中心化更强大\n一开始铸造的100万亿只是个可用量是被封印在流量池的，只有用户用CKB交换的UtxoUSD的数量才是真正的流通量，它们的价值一直都有最大的保证", "content_html": "我就来再次说下它的实现方式，大家会发现可以如此简单:
\n它在已经被实现的工程项目参照下完成
\n主要参考和工具:
\nCcc:发币
\nUtxoswap:交易对用来交换即铸造和赎回 Rusd:一个便于理解的对比对象
\n用一个多签地址(后面会说为何要多签以及其用处)用ccc工具发布一个代币比如UtxoUSD，数量任意一个极大数字比如100万亿
\n如果用CKB做价值背书就从其他地方转入CKB(用其他代币同理)，假设用CKB且假设转入100万美元的CKB
\n然后登陆Utxoswap把这100万亿UtxoUSD和100万美元的CKB提交新的交易对并把所有代币提供流动性
\n最后一步，退出Utxoswap然后永不登陆，之前的多签其作用就体现在这里，这里要最大的保证必须先要能登陆，等完成在Utxoswap的设定后就永不在登陆，多签比如100/100或者更大的多签最大的保证谁都无法登陆私自转移代币
\n让这个地址的货币成为真正意义上的公产或者公共物品(顺便说一句，那些一个个人出售给另一个个人的所有东西都不可能是公共物品而是假冒其概念)
\n这样这个地址或者交易池里原始就有了
\n100万亿 UtxoUSD和 100万美元的CKB
\n某用户用一万美元的CKB来换取一万个UtxoUSD后，地址里代币为
\n100万亿减一万个UtxoUSD和101万美元的CKB
\n也就是实际流通的一万UtxoUSD后面有101万价值的CKB作为保证，即可以大概理解成101倍的质押，这个倍数在动态变化
\n作为对比相对换Rusd来说，UtxoUSD更安全更没有损耗更去中心化更强大
\n一开始铸造的100万亿只是个可用量是被封印在流量池的，只有用户用CKB交换的UtxoUSD的数量才是真正的流通量，它们的价值一直都有最大的保证
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24254, "post_number": 8, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T08:44:46.448000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T08:44:46.448000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/8", "content_text": "总结一下:\n总的来说，Usdc/Usdt这样的中心化方式不考虑，哪怕在短期它们可能有一些表现(当然也不拒绝也无法拒绝别人去做，但我们要做的是自己的系统根基，不是一回事)\n超额抵押的路是对的，但这个初期的流动性金库应该由团队来建立而不是用户(这是团队带头承担风险落实责任的时刻)且这里面不能有任何盈利模式存在\n流动性的延续和扩大依赖用户的使用意愿，越多人加入这个系统就越强大，每个交换的用户就像一个个某种含义的节点\n我们不为某个具体的人而贡献能量，而是为一个系统贡献能量，这个系统再反过来关照赋能强大每个人", "content_html": "总结一下:
\n总的来说，Usdc/Usdt这样的中心化方式不考虑，哪怕在短期它们可能有一些表现(当然也不拒绝也无法拒绝别人去做，但我们要做的是自己的系统根基，不是一回事)
\n超额抵押的路是对的，但这个初期的流动性金库应该由团队来建立而不是用户(这是团队带头承担风险落实责任的时刻)且这里面不能有任何盈利模式存在
\n流动性的延续和扩大依赖用户的使用意愿，越多人加入这个系统就越强大，每个交换的用户就像一个个某种含义的节点
\n我们不为某个具体的人而贡献能量，而是为一个系统贡献能量，这个系统再反过来关照赋能强大每个人
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24255, "post_number": 9, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-11T09:12:22.900000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T09:12:22.900000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 7, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/9", "content_text": "Here is the problem:\nYou had 100 people exchange $10,000 USD worth of CKB when the price was at 4 cents a couple of years ago. This means the LP contained $2 million dollars worth of CKB and there was $1 million dollars of circulating utxoUSD able to be redeemed.\nThe price is now $0.0015, so we now have 1 million utxoUSD worth about $70k, so about 7 cents in the dollar for the holders of utxoUSD.\nBut it’s worse than that because your guaranteeing the exchange rate of $1, so the first 7 holders exchange their utxoUSD for the $70k worth of CKB left in the pool and the other 93 holders don’t get a cent.\nAnd the original CKB deposited in the pool is gone, so a price correction wont fix the issue.\nObviously it wouldn’t play out like that, it would collapse like a house of cards well before that point, but that is the situation in a nutshell, everything works until doesn’t and in crypto, no amount of over collateralization is enough.", "content_html": "Here is the problem:
\nYou had 100 people exchange $10,000 USD worth of CKB when the price was at 4 cents a couple of years ago. This means the LP contained $2 million dollars worth of CKB and there was $1 million dollars of circulating utxoUSD able to be redeemed.
\nThe price is now $0.0015, so we now have 1 million utxoUSD worth about $70k, so about 7 cents in the dollar for the holders of utxoUSD.
\nBut it’s worse than that because your guaranteeing the exchange rate of $1, so the first 7 holders exchange their utxoUSD for the $70k worth of CKB left in the pool and the other 93 holders don’t get a cent.
\nAnd the original CKB deposited in the pool is gone, so a price correction wont fix the issue.
\nObviously it wouldn’t play out like that, it would collapse like a house of cards well before that point, but that is the situation in a nutshell, everything works until doesn’t and in crypto, no amount of over collateralization is enough.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24256, "post_number": 10, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "silenceport", "created_at": "2026-05-11T09:14:20.310000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T09:14:20.310000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/10", "content_text": "问题是，ckb的价格会波动，就算那一刻价值是固定的，但是随着以后ckb价格上涨或下跌，这个utxoUSD，谁认可它等于1USD呢，它可以等于10USD,100USD,或者0.1USD,0.01USD……或许你去另外一个名字不叫USD，也是一样的utxoMoney", "content_html": "问题是，ckb的价格会波动，就算那一刻价值是固定的，但是随着以后ckb价格上涨或下跌，这个utxoUSD，谁认可它等于1USD呢，它可以等于10USD,100USD,或者0.1USD,0.01USD……或许你去另外一个名字不叫USD，也是一样的utxoMoney
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24257, "post_number": 11, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "silenceport", "created_at": "2026-05-11T09:16:55.922000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T09:16:55.922000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 10, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/11", "content_text": "而且USD的购买力也是随着美国国力和生产力波动的，外汇不是一直在波动吗，你说的这个原生稳定币不过是另一种普通的代币罢了，稳定与否取还得和某种东西铆钉，美元就是美国的国力和生产力以及对未来的预期。", "content_html": "而且USD的购买力也是随着美国国力和生产力波动的，外汇不是一直在波动吗，你说的这个原生稳定币不过是另一种普通的代币罢了，稳定与否取还得和某种东西铆钉，美元就是美国的国力和生产力以及对未来的预期。
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24258, "post_number": 12, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-11T10:02:44.688000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T10:02:44.688000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 10, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/12", "content_text": "I might be wrong, but I’m reading it as his system guarantees the exchange rate, so 1 utxoUSD can always be exchanged for $1 of CKB.\nIf this is the case, the more people that take part the more dangerous the system gets.\nIf you are the only person to use the pool, then you will almost always be able to get your money back no matter how much the price of CKB drops.\nBut I think the problem is that the collateralization doesn’t scale with the amount of utxoUSD minted.\nIf one person mints 10k utxoUSD, then their 10k USD is only 1% of the pool, so the price of CKB can drop by 99% and they can get their money back.\nIf 100 people mint 10k utxoUSD then price of CKB can only drop by 50% before the pool can’t meet it’s obligations.\n@yifenzi I don’t know man, this just doesn’t seem to add up. If the price of CKB keeps going up, then it probably works, but I don’t think Stablecoins are that easy.", "content_html": "I might be wrong, but I’m reading it as his system guarantees the exchange rate, so 1 utxoUSD can always be exchanged for $1 of CKB.
\nIf this is the case, the more people that take part the more dangerous the system gets.
\nIf you are the only person to use the pool, then you will almost always be able to get your money back no matter how much the price of CKB drops.
\nBut I think the problem is that the collateralization doesn’t scale with the amount of utxoUSD minted.
\nIf one person mints 10k utxoUSD, then their 10k USD is only 1% of the pool, so the price of CKB can drop by 99% and they can get their money back.
\nIf 100 people mint 10k utxoUSD then price of CKB can only drop by 50% before the pool can’t meet it’s obligations.
\n@yifenzi I don’t know man, this just doesn’t seem to add up. If the price of CKB keeps going up, then it probably works, but I don’t think Stablecoins are that easy.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24259, "post_number": 13, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T10:15:05.433000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T10:15:05.433000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/13", "content_text": "关于CKB价格的波动是一个必须面对的问题，它存在所有价格变动的地方不只是这一处\n我来说下如何应对\n总的来说不外乎CKB价格的上涨甚至暴涨或者价格下跌甚至暴跌\nUtxoUSD作为用CKB保证的代币自然一损俱损一荣俱荣\n即如果CKB上涨甚至暴涨，UtxoUSD的超额抵押的倍数上涨\n如果CKB下跌甚至暴跌归零，UtxoUSD的抵押倍数下降跟着归零\n另一个问题，如何锚定一个UtxoUSD等于一美元？而不是两美元，十美元\n用Utxoswap上的交易对CKB/UtxoUSD直接隐射锚定币安上CKB/USDC或者几个大所的中间值以保持相对的稳定(即不是普通交易对的定价逻辑)我把这称之为定价尺度的借用\n即用代码规定\nCKB/UtxoUSD=币安CKB/USDC\n一句话总结:UtxoUSD的价值锚定由币安上CKB/USDC交易对隐射借用\n当CKB发生暴涨时，UtxoUSD的背书更多，当CKB发生暴跌甚至几乎归零时，UtxoUSD也会脱锚甚至归零(CKB如果真的几乎归零了，也就是矿机节点几乎都不在了，包括UtxoUSD在内的所有CKB链上的东西也归零不是再正常不过了吗？)", "content_html": "关于CKB价格的波动是一个必须面对的问题，它存在所有价格变动的地方不只是这一处
\n我来说下如何应对
\n总的来说不外乎CKB价格的上涨甚至暴涨或者价格下跌甚至暴跌
\nUtxoUSD作为用CKB保证的代币自然一损俱损一荣俱荣
\n即如果CKB上涨甚至暴涨，UtxoUSD的超额抵押的倍数上涨
\n如果CKB下跌甚至暴跌归零，UtxoUSD的抵押倍数下降跟着归零
\n另一个问题，如何锚定一个UtxoUSD等于一美元？而不是两美元，十美元
\n用Utxoswap上的交易对CKB/UtxoUSD直接隐射锚定币安上CKB/USDC或者几个大所的中间值以保持相对的稳定(即不是普通交易对的定价逻辑)我把这称之为定价尺度的借用
\n即用代码规定
\nCKB/UtxoUSD=币安CKB/USDC
\n一句话总结:UtxoUSD的价值锚定由币安上CKB/USDC交易对隐射借用
\n当CKB发生暴涨时，UtxoUSD的背书更多，当CKB发生暴跌甚至几乎归零时，UtxoUSD也会脱锚甚至归零(CKB如果真的几乎归零了，也就是矿机节点几乎都不在了，包括UtxoUSD在内的所有CKB链上的东西也归零不是再正常不过了吗？)
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24260, "post_number": 14, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-11T10:37:24.961000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T10:37:24.961000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 13, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/14", "content_text": "yifenzi:\nIf CKB truly reaches nearly zero, that means almost all miner nodes are gone — isn’t it perfectly natural that everything on the CKB chain, including UtxoUSD, would also go to zero?\nNo, definitely not, this is the whole issue mate, you can’t have a stablecoin that is reliant on the success of another token or project, it defeats the whole purpose and shouldn’t be called a stablecoin or have any references to USD or any other currency.\nUsers of CKB deserve to know their ‘stablecoin’ is going to be worth the same amount in the morning, it should be the safehaven token, no matter what happens to CKB.", "content_html": "\nNo, definitely not, this is the whole issue mate, you can’t have a stablecoin that is reliant on the success of another token or project, it defeats the whole purpose and shouldn’t be called a stablecoin or have any references to USD or any other currency.
\nUsers of CKB deserve to know their ‘stablecoin’ is going to be worth the same amount in the morning, it should be the safehaven token, no matter what happens to CKB.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 1 }, { "post_id": 24261, "post_number": 15, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T11:12:12.221000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T11:12:12.221000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/15", "content_text": "在补充一点\n在CKB价格平稳和上涨时，对UtxoUSD的价值有保证这点应该都没问题\n在CKB价格下跌甚至暴跌时，UtxoUSD的价值是有可能脱锚的，这点不必也不能避讳，可选措施就是团队救市，用CKB特别是国库那部分CKB去兑换UtxoUSD来托底(等CKB涨回来时这部分价值也会回来，不是肯定打水漂)当然如果经常需要脱底和救市，先不说团队的意愿，我想整个CKB的盘面应该已经惨不忍睹，救或不救可能已经没多大区别\n这是所有人应该避免的时间线，我们的所有努力汇集到一起就是希望它在CKB的价格稳中上涨的时间线发生，这不是只追求价格的上涨，而是价格的上涨是做对事情的必然结果", "content_html": "在补充一点
\n在CKB价格平稳和上涨时，对UtxoUSD的价值有保证这点应该都没问题
\n在CKB价格下跌甚至暴跌时，UtxoUSD的价值是有可能脱锚的，这点不必也不能避讳，可选措施就是团队救市，用CKB特别是国库那部分CKB去兑换UtxoUSD来托底(等CKB涨回来时这部分价值也会回来，不是肯定打水漂)当然如果经常需要脱底和救市，先不说团队的意愿，我想整个CKB的盘面应该已经惨不忍睹，救或不救可能已经没多大区别
\n这是所有人应该避免的时间线，我们的所有努力汇集到一起就是希望它在CKB的价格稳中上涨的时间线发生，这不是只追求价格的上涨，而是价格的上涨是做对事情的必然结果
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24262, "post_number": 16, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T11:21:46.062000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T11:21:46.062000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 14, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/16", "content_text": "没有绝对安全，只有相对安全\n我一直认为这是一个人成熟的第一课\n就像密码学的加密算法和攻破方法，一直都是矛和盾的比拼\n现在的抗量子算法也一定会被攻破，可能五十年一百年或者更久，但只是时间问题，然后又有一个新的更强大的算法，如此往复\n好消息是现在的抗量子算法可能会为我们争取到足够的时间", "content_html": "没有绝对安全，只有相对安全
\n我一直认为这是一个人成熟的第一课
\n就像密码学的加密算法和攻破方法，一直都是矛和盾的比拼
\n现在的抗量子算法也一定会被攻破，可能五十年一百年或者更久，但只是时间问题，然后又有一个新的更强大的算法，如此往复
\n好消息是现在的抗量子算法可能会为我们争取到足够的时间
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24263, "post_number": 17, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-11T11:23:58.409000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T11:24:23.885000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 15, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/17", "content_text": "yifenzi:\nThis is a timeline everyone should work to avoid. All of our collective efforts are aimed at making things happen in a timeline where CKB’s price grows steadily — not because we are purely chasing price appreciation, but because price appreciation is the inevitable result of doing the right things.\nI might not agree with your stablecoin idea mate, but I 100% agree with this!", "content_html": "\nI might not agree with your stablecoin idea mate, but I 100% agree with this!
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 1 }, { "post_id": 24267, "post_number": 18, "topic_id": 10240, "topic_title": "再谈CKB/Fiber支撑的原生稳定币的必要性和紧迫性", "topic_slug": "ckb-fiber", "author": "yifenzi", "created_at": "2026-05-11T11:49:26.951000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T11:49:26.951000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-fiber/10240/18", "content_text": "对安全和稳定的认知如此重要我不得不再做一些说明\n要明确脱锚和归零的风险是存在的\n同时所有人要一起尽量避免它\n现实中银行都会倒闭(全世界都有发生过)，甚至整个国家的纸币都会作废直接换新\n没有比这个更能说明安全和稳定的相对性了，一些东西很残酷，但必须面对", "content_html": "对安全和稳定的认知如此重要我不得不再做一些说明
\n要明确脱锚和归零的风险是存在的
\n同时所有人要一起尽量避免它
\n现实中银行都会倒闭(全世界都有发生过)，甚至整个国家的纸币都会作废直接换新
\n没有比这个更能说明安全和稳定的相对性了，一些东西很残酷，但必须面对
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 9879, "title": "[DIS] Mobile-Ready CKB Light Client (Pocket Node) for Android", "slug": "dis-mobile-ready-ckb-light-client-pocket-node-for-android", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/dis-mobile-ready-ckb-light-client-pocket-node-for-android/9879", "created_at": "2026-01-27T09:25:31.938000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T07:22:31.369000+00:00", "category_id": 65, "tags": [ "CKB", "light-client" ], "posters": [ "Original Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Most Recent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24246, "post_number": 40, "topic_id": 9879, "topic_title": "[DIS] Mobile-Ready CKB Light Client (Pocket Node) for Android", "topic_slug": "dis-mobile-ready-ckb-light-client-pocket-node-for-android", "author": "Jnr6", "created_at": "2026-05-11T06:43:44.882000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T06:43:44.882000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 35, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/dis-mobile-ready-ckb-light-client-pocket-node-for-android/9879/40", "content_text": "Hi @zz_tovarishch it’s close to a month, M4 currently in the pipeline and M3 haven’t been cleared. Is there a reason for the delay?", "content_html": "Hi @zz_tovarishch it’s close to a month, M4 currently in the pipeline and M3 haven’t been cleared. Is there a reason for the delay?
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24249, "post_number": 41, "topic_id": 9879, "topic_title": "[DIS] Mobile-Ready CKB Light Client (Pocket Node) for Android", "topic_slug": "dis-mobile-ready-ckb-light-client-pocket-node-for-android", "author": "zz_tovarishch", "created_at": "2026-05-11T07:22:31.369000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T07:22:31.369000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 40, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/dis-mobile-ready-ckb-light-client-pocket-node-for-android/9879/41", "content_text": "已经多次提醒committee打款，但目前尚未得到回复\n请耐心等待，有消息会及时同步", "content_html": "已经多次提醒committee打款，但目前尚未得到回复
\n请耐心等待，有消息会及时同步
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 10243, "title": "Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles?", "slug": "is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles/10243", "created_at": "2026-05-10T12:08:22.218000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T05:05:35.131000+00:00", "category_id": 67, "tags": [], "posters": [ "Original Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Most Recent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24240, "post_number": 4, "topic_id": 10243, "topic_title": "Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles?", "topic_slug": "is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles", "author": "Yeti", "created_at": "2026-05-10T22:11:54.854000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-10T22:11:54.854000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 3, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles/10243/4", "content_text": "Just found this in the profile settings, I didn’t even realise it was an option to turn on and off.\nI agree, there doesn’t seem to be any obvious reason this should be allowed and I can’t think of why a legit user would even want to do this.\nI thought for a second that maybe it could be used to make anonymous posts if you changed your name and hid the profile, but I’m assuming the details of this post would come back when you unhid the profile again.\nBut this brings up another question and I don’t want to derail your thread here, but I wonder if there should be an easy option for (clearly labelled) anonymous posting?\nThere’s certain topics (I’m not talking about anything in particular ) that I’m sure some people sit on the sidelines because they don’t want to be seen as taking sides, even though they might have a strong opinion either way.\nThis is especially true for people like Jan/Terry/Matt who also don’t want to be seen as trying to influence discussions but still want to have their say.", "content_html": "Just found this in the profile settings, I didn’t even realise it was an option to turn on and off.
\nI agree, there doesn’t seem to be any obvious reason this should be allowed and I can’t think of why a legit user would even want to do this.
\nI thought for a second that maybe it could be used to make anonymous posts if you changed your name and hid the profile, but I’m assuming the details of this post would come back when you unhid the profile again.
\nBut this brings up another question and I don’t want to derail your thread here, but I wonder if there should be an easy option for (clearly labelled) anonymous posting?
\nThere’s certain topics (I’m not talking about anything in particular ![\":grin:\"](\"https://talk.nervos.org/images/emoji/apple/grin.png?v=15\" "\\":grin:\\"")
) that I’m sure some people sit on the sidelines because they don’t want to be seen as taking sides, even though they might have a strong opinion either way.
This is especially true for people like Jan/Terry/Matt who also don’t want to be seen as trying to influence discussions but still want to have their say.
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 }, { "post_id": 24241, "post_number": 5, "topic_id": 10243, "topic_title": "Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles?", "topic_slug": "is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles", "author": "phroi", "created_at": "2026-05-10T23:07:06.127000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-10T23:07:06.127000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 4, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles/10243/5", "content_text": "Yeti:\nThere’s certain topics […] that I’m sure some people sit on the sidelines because they don’t want to be seen as taking sides, even though they might have a strong opinion either way.\nYou know, from what I can see, feels like we just have some sort of soft rules against:\nsock-puppets: using a secondary account to increase the perceived engagement/agreement of the post of a primary account (or vice-versa)\nvotes on DAO proposals: getting more votes in phase 1 DAO proposal by creating sock-puppets accounts\nApart for sock-puppet purposes, you can create as many profiles as you want.\nFor example, some time ago @Hanssen was doing something of the sort by using @6aea8a80d7fe account: in my opinion that’s completely fine.\nPhroi", "content_html": "\nYou know, from what I can see, feels like we just have some sort of soft rules against:
\nApart for sock-puppet purposes, you can create as many profiles as you want.
\nFor example, some time ago @Hanssen was doing something of the sort by using @6aea8a80d7fe account: in my opinion that’s completely fine.
\nPhroi
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 1 }, { "post_id": 24244, "post_number": 6, "topic_id": 10243, "topic_title": "Is there any good reason for allowing hidden profiles?", "topic_slug": "is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles", "author": "matt_ckb", "created_at": "2026-05-11T05:05:35.131000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T05:05:35.131000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": null, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/is-there-any-good-reason-for-allowing-hidden-profiles/10243/6", "content_text": "chiming in with my opinion that it should be disabled @terrytai fyi please share your thoughts", "content_html": "chiming in with my opinion that it should be disabled @terrytai fyi please share your thoughts
", "like_count": 0, "quote_count": 0 } ] }, { "topic_id": 9821, "title": "CKB Ecosystem Biweekly Update", "slug": "ckb-ecosystem-biweekly-update", "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-ecosystem-biweekly-update/9821", "created_at": "2026-01-08T12:40:55.382000+00:00", "last_posted_at": "2026-05-11T02:27:36.332000+00:00", "category_id": 31, "tags": [ "Ecosystem-Update" ], "posters": [ "Original Poster, Most Recent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster", "Frequent Poster" ], "recent_posts": [ { "post_id": 24242, "post_number": 18, "topic_id": 9821, "topic_title": "CKB Ecosystem Biweekly Update", "topic_slug": "ckb-ecosystem-biweekly-update", "author": "zz_tovarishch", "created_at": "2026-05-11T02:27:36.332000+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-05-11T05:03:21.277000+00:00", "reply_to_post_number": 17, "url": "https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-ecosystem-biweekly-update/9821/18", "content_text": "image1200×675 67.1 KB\nCKB Ecosystem Biweekly Update #16\nWelcome to the latest CKB Ecosystem Biweekly Update. Here’s a quick summary of key dev and ecosystem progress from the past two weeks.\nInfrastructure & Tooling\n@CKBdev improved CKB-VM ARM64 performance, added SKILL.md for AI agents in ckb-debugger, and upgraded toolchain to 1.95.0. Multiple DAO Treasury designs & voting directions under discussion. More: CKB Dev Log 2026-04-29\n@CKBDevrel published an investigation into the AI optimization plan, and is working on an RGB++ asset manager with the new SDK.\n@FiberDevs released Fiber v0.8.1, added the x402 facilitator MVP, and attended Bitcoin 2026 (Las Vegas). More: Fiber Dev Log 2026-04-30\nWeb5 & DAO\nDAO v1.1 project was discontinued, while all platform code and a vote auditor tool remain open sourced.\nInvisibook completed milestone 1 and is awaiting review; released weekly report (2026.5.10, Completed Invisibook order placement and settlement zk circuits: ZeroKnowledge implement by Lawliet-Chan · Pull Request #2 · invisibook-lab/invisibook · GitHub)\nPocket Node released v1.5.1, download and try it here.\nFiber Link published its Product Delivery Report.\nBitcoin Renegade CKB Media Campaign is applying for $3K from CKB Community Fund DAO. The proposal is currently in the Discussion Stage.\nProposals that failed the Discussion Stage:\nCryptoMondays London\nQuantir Risk Intelligence\nEcosystem Projects & Community\n@Nervapes attended Bitcoin 2026 (Las Vegas), is rolling out new shop features, and implementing email-based claiming to reduce friction for non-wallet users.\nThe Fiber Network AMA on Reddit goes live on May 12th, post your question here.\n@Ckroamer published a post on demo development based on fiber-js.\n@RetricSu released a paid AI Agent calling experiment via Fiber, and fiber-pay v0.2.5.\nArthurZhang started a design discussion on the CellScript package and deployment registry, and published a post on CellFabric.\n@xjd shared recommended cryptographic libraries on CKB-VM.\n@phroi published the iCKB Contracts Security Review.\n@zz_tovarishch shared a multi-model allocation guide for complex tasks.\n@Eyeam shared thoughts on DAO structures and the future of AI agents.\nNervos Talk forum category streamlining is ongoing.\nNervos Community Catalyst & Spark Program\nNervos Community Catalyst\nThe first Africa-based CKB Off-Chain meetup was held in Lagos, Nigeria on April 18.\nCKBuilders is expanding into new regions, recruiting devs in Kenya & Vietnam via its referral program.\nNew article by CKBuilders members: Nervos & CKB: The Blockchain Built to Last Forever\nCKB AI Scholarship, which provides builders with access to subscription-level AI models, is now live.\nBlackbox, an all-in-one fiat & crypto POS terminal, posted its first devlog.\nCatalyst projects seeking feedback on Nervos Talk/GitHub:\nPckt: A Friendly Way to Send CKB\nCKB Connect Wallet Component\nCellora, a multi-tenant indexing and query service\nCKB Governance, a CKB-native Governance Protocol\nSpindle, an API-first Fiber Payment Gateway for Agent\nSpectre, a Key Recovery Protocol for Autonomous AI Agents\nSpark Program\nFuture Spark proposals, updates & content no longer require mandatory bilingual versions, thanks to the integrated AI translation tool.\nFiber-checkout has been completed, read the completion report.\nUpdates from approved projects:\nCKB-UGMP\nCKB Developer Onboarding Guide\nNervos Brain\nCKB-probe\nNew/pending applications:\nCKB-VM Sail Formal Verification\nTiko Creator Commerce Expansion\nDular, a Mobile Stablecoin Wallet on Fiber Network\nEvery step forward in CKB is powered by the community. Let’s keep building!\nThanks to @JackyLHH for his contribution to the edition of the bi-weekly report.", "content_html": "\nWelcome to the latest CKB Ecosystem Biweekly Update. Here’s a quick summary of key dev and ecosystem progress from the past two weeks.
\n![\":wrench:\"](\"https://talk.nervos.org/images/emoji/apple/wrench.png?v=15\" "\\":wrench:\\"")
![\":globe_showing_europe_africa:\"](\"https://talk.nervos.org/images/emoji/apple/globe_showing_europe_africa.png?v=15\" "\\":globe_showing_europe_africa:\\"")
![\":globe_with_meridians:\"](\"https://talk.nervos.org/images/emoji/apple/globe_with_meridians.png?v=15\" "\\":globe_with_meridians:\\"")
![\":fireworks:\"](\"https://talk.nervos.org/images/emoji/apple/fireworks.png?v=15\" "\\":fireworks:\\"")
Every step forward in CKB is powered by the community. Let’s keep building! ![\":flexed_biceps:\"](\"https://talk.nervos.org/images/emoji/apple/flexed_biceps.png?v=15\" "\\":flexed_biceps:\\"")
Thanks to @JackyLHH for his contribution to the edition of the bi-weekly report.
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